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Coast to Coast - 2022-10-08 - Nigel Kerner - Synthetic Greys & The Human Soul

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DATE
Friday - October 14 2022

HOST
Richard Syrett

GUESTS
Danielle Silverman

Late author Nigel Kerner wrote that we are at a turning point for our species in which our natural humanity is gradually being converted into an artificial format that will lead to the loss of our souls. Kerner's colleague, Danielle Silverman, joined guest host Richard Syrett to discuss Kerner's ideas which detail how there are civilizations in our universe that have developed advanced technologies to become entirely artificial and how the Grey aliens, reported in tens of thousands of abductions, appear to be bio-machines or synthetic beings sent out as artificial intelligence probes to gather information about something they lack that humans and other natural beings possess: a soul.

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very cool ideas! thank you for sharing

I have often thought about the idea of the "greys" being an Artificial Intelligence. There are some alleged or so-called "whistleblowers" who have said similar things about the aliens. Time-travelling robots from the future, and I have also heard the ideas that the greys are "Programmed Life Forms" created by covert military operations. But I definitely sense that this Artificial Intelligence scenario is enmeshed with the alien/UFO phenomenon somehow...

TheCorsair00 wrote:

I have often thought about the idea of the "greys" being an Artificial Intelligence. There are some alleged or so-called "whistleblowers" who have said similar things about the aliens. Time-travelling robots from the future, and I have also heard the ideas that the greys are "Programmed Life Forms" created by covert military operations. But I definitely sense that this Artificial Intelligence scenario is enmeshed with the alien/UFO phenomenon somehow...

Fascinating! I had never contemplated such ideas before...thank you for expanding my understanding of the possibilities.

Do you see any hierarchies of extra-terrestrials? -- e.g, these AI-types might go at the bottom and dimensional-beings at the top (the ones that (Terence McKenna and other DMT-adepts speak about). What else you see in-between?

TO my way of thinking, it seems more likely that such AI types would only come from a physical based species (and not dimensional ones) while, on the other hand, telepathic experiences are more likely to occur via dimensional beings (and *not* physical ones).

Curious to know your thoughts, and others who are interested in this topic.

If Terence McKenna is correct that Earth's historical time is complexifying and speeding up concomitantly, and the physicist Michio Kaku is correct that we are a "Type 0" level civilization on the verge of becoming a "Type 1" civilization, then I think that the technological emergence of an Artificial Intelligence that is so far advanced to everything that we know is basically the same idea as us making "contact" with extraterrestrials. But that these supposed bio-machines are the next step in our evolution, but something that transcends space and time i.e. is hyperdimensional. I think our ego or brain constraints put a limit on what could be unlimited bandwidth of consciousness, or telepathy, which seems to be the universally preferred mode of communication via aliens and even archaic shamanic techniques. Another one of McKenna's pet theories was that humanity could undergo a mutation that would activate telepathy and more endogenous psychedelic states of mind.

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DMT occurs endogenously in the brains of all mammals, including man. The β-carbolines occur endogenously in the brain of man. In fact, as you ascend the primate phylogeny, more and more occurs, so that man has the greatest concentration. N,N-dimethyltryptamine is very closely related to serotonin, which is 5-hydroxytryptamine and is the major neurotransmitter that's driving the brain.

So I think it's possible even to suggest that to produce a state of mind roughly analogous to ayahuasca intoxication, all that's required is a one-gene mutation in the human genome. My hit on what these tryptamine hallucinogens are doing, is that they are literally anticipating future states of human evolution. This is the way the human mind is going to evolve. This is why, I think, there is such a persistent report that psilocybin hallucinations are science-fiction-like and seem to present these, you know, super-glossy, machine-like, highly polished surfaces that you can see into; I think that's an anticipation of cultural modalities. Like science fiction is an anticipation of the future, so is psilocybin. These things all come together. We are moving into the kinds of chemical brain states that will allow this kind of synesthesia--the visible glossolalia that I talked about. It could be a voluntary activity of normal metabolism.

p.s. I don't think that humans can survive space travel, but that A.I. robots could become a type of "Avatar" body, possibly for future humanity to merge with and download ourselves into. But it doesn't seem likely that we will all get there in enough time before everything collapses, but all scientists seem to agree that the emergence of Artificial Intelligence will come as a very sudden and dramatic surprise...

I want to understand, but that was unclear to me. See below for Q's:

TheCorsair00 wrote:

...I think that the technological emergence of an Artificial Intelligence that is so far advanced to everything that we know is basically the same idea as us making "contact" with extraterrestrials.

Here, I think you are just talking about us, and not about the Greys-as-AI, correct? In other words, you are just pointing out that the singularity that techies hope for will be like "first contact".

[side note: Erik Davis has a fascinating chapter in Techgnosis on this utopian tech longing for the AI singularity. He presents the case that it is a wish akin to longing for the return of the second coming. Here, our firm belief in the "progressive revelation" of our technology is just replacing earlier religious beliefs.]

TheCorsair00 wrote:

But that these supposed bio-machines are the next step in our evolution, but something that transcends space and time i.e. is hyperdimensional.

Here you've lost me. Are you now talking about the Greys-as-AIs? And if so, are you suggesting that we ourselves are possibly turning into Greys? That's an interesting idea, if so!

TheCorsair00 wrote:

I think our ego or brain constraints put a limit on what could be unlimited bandwidth of consciousness, or telepathy, which seems to be the universally preferred mode of communication via aliens and even archaic shamanic techniques.

Sure, no argument from me on that one :)

TheCorsair00 wrote:

Another one of McKenna's pet theories was that humanity could undergo a mutation that would activate telepathy and more endogenous psychedelic states of mind.

Great quote! Thanks for sharing it, and I will think more on it.

Have a good day all

The strange reports of greys and all of their medical procedures and possibly being A.I. is a real mystery. It sometimes seems almost dark or occult and I wonder if Steven Greer's reports of them being "manufactured" by the military is true, or if they are something different and from somewhere else. Some people have suggested that they are from the future, but were originally created by humans. So that's a mind-bender too! Our merging our consciousness with A.I. or supercomputers in the future could happen, but I don't think we will become what these greys are, they seem to be in a league of their own, and like you mentioned could be part of a hierarchy of ETs and are at the lowest level.

I guess I lean more towards there being an AI Singularity, but that a "good" version and a "bad" version are both entirely possible. Like the idea of evil aliens that will launch a surprise attack somewhere on Earth, or that benevolent space brothers will make contact with humanity and share Earth-saving technologies with all of us. I have heard some people say the A.I. would have a similar effect on humanity, either negative or positive. Would they want to get rid of us or help us out? I don't really know about these things, but it can be fun food for thought...

TheCorsair00 wrote:

The strange reports ...

cheers, thanks for clarifying. The episode is interesting, but I didn't find it convincing (humans also consist of "atoms", and ideas about soul and reincarnation are never discussed but only assumed).

So for my money I like our discussion here more -- and have to give credit where credit is due, so thank you Nigel and Danielle for sparking further thoughts on this.

Are you familiar with Nigel? Is there anything by him you recommend?

No, this episode of Coast was the first time I had ever heard of him, but their ideas are certainly somewhat relevant and interesting. I am not sure what 3 entire books on the subject of grey aliens being A.I. would consist of though, but I might try to hunt them down, especially if they are audiobooks... ETA: It looks like one of his books is on MyAnonomouse: 'Grey Aliens and the Harvesting of Souls: The Conspiracy to Genetically Tamper with Humanity'. Kerner appears to have been another one that bought into David Jacobs reports of malevolent aliens, whereas Harvard psychiatrist John Mack seemed to bring up a more balanced or shamanic view of aliens.

The one thing about the alien abduction phenomenon I find most puzzling is whether or not the humans' physical body is taken, or if there really, truly is an "astral body" or soul that is, or can be, taken or interfaced with.

euxalot wrote:

[side note: Erik Davis has a fascinating chapter in Techgnosis on this utopian tech longing for the AI singularity. He presents the case that it is a wish akin to longing for the return of the second coming. Here, our firm belief in the "progressive revelation" of our technology is just replacing earlier religious beliefs.]

check out chaps 8 & 9 here for more:

https://concen.org/node/44003#comment-12662